<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>In a structured wiki, where PTV data (aka the "model") is separate from the presentation (aka "view"), you hide the contents of the page. In the case of category pages, there doesn't even have to be an actual page. Since Fox's preview only shows the contents of the page, not the group header, the page appears empty - thus an inaccurate preview.</div><div><br></div><div>Pmwiki's preview, unlike Fox's, shows the complete page. Pmwiki has the opposite problem: it shows the header but "previews" the old values rather than the values that the user has just entered - rendering the preview inaccurate. Fortunately, Peter created a patch (which I hope will be added to the core: see PITS 01098 <a href="http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PITS/01098">http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PITS/01098</a> ) that fixes Pmwiki.php.</div><div><br></div><div>Fox has so many great features - but for any wiki where the group header is important to the presentation of the page, its preview is unusable. </div><div><br></div><div>My second point has nothing to do with Fox. If you want to display a link in a PTV, you need link markup. So, despite structuring the wiki, the user still needs to deal with some markup. If there's a way around that, I don't know it.</div><div><br></div><div>Randy</div><br><div><div>On Jul 3, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Hans wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#144FAE"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></font></blockquote>Fox's preview will show new ptv values just fine,<br>but you need a dedicated foxpreviewtemplate for displaying<br>the values of input fields used for ptv updating.<br><br>As to your second point, i do not understand what you mean by it.<br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>