Quote from top of donations page: "Also note that although Petko has estimated the likely effort, no-one has yet committed to actually doing the work."<br><br>... and further down, quoting Petko's email: "The cost of this work is estimated to be 2100 euros. My company doesn't
collect VAT. A receipt or a number of receipts will be available."<br><br>That last part sounded pretty committed to me... <br><br>Petko, you mentioned that you have a list of things you plan to do for the editor; what's on the donations page sounds pretty vague. Especially "The rich-text editor will be in addition to the normal wiki-text editor." sounds strange... why have 2 toolbars?<br>
<br>Are we going to wind up with html AND wiki markup in the pages? If so, I would not use it... I worked a bit a while ago on a layer-based toggle (working in a rich-text field that would switch to a normal edit textarea with the markup exposed and back). I could not make it cross-browser - it would work only in IE5.5, so I gave it up.<br>
<br>Cheers,<br>Radu<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 18:57, DaveG <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pmwiki@solidgone.com">pmwiki@solidgone.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I added a page Cookbook/WYSIWYG-donations, and included the pledges made in this thread. For those who pledged, please check I have your information correct.<br>
<br>
<br>
~ ~ Dave<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 5/17/2011 9:10 PM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'm willing to set up whatever accounts etc. are needed to<br>
sure the funds all make it to the right places, whether that's<br>
through pledgie, kickstarter, etc. (I have plenty of paypal,<br>
amazon associate, etc. accounts that I can use for this.)<br>
<br>
But I don't want to start setting things up until we have at<br>
least 60% of the pledges needed to reach the goal. So, until<br>
then it might be worthwhile to just create a page on PmWiki.org<br>
describing the campaign, the target, what will be delivered,<br>
and how close we are to the final goal. When the number reaches<br>
around 60% of the total, I'll start making the official transfer<br>
channels open.<br>
<br>
Pm<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 05:56:31PM -0400, DaveG wrote:<br>
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Perhaps something like pledgie <a href="http://pledgie.com/site/faq" target="_blank">http://pledgie.com/site/faq</a> (used<br>
within Github for project support) would be useful to track<br>
commitments to the goal.<br>
<br>
I'd set it up, but the recipient needs to enter a Paypal address to<br>
facilitate funds transfer.<br>
<br>
<br>
~ ~ Dave<br>
<br>
On 5/14/2011 5:25 PM, Al Louis Ripskis wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Petko Yotov<<a href="mailto:5ko@5ko.fr" target="_blank">5ko@5ko.fr</a>>Sent: May 14, 2011 3:36 PM<br>
The cost of this work is estimated to be 2100 euros. My company doesn't<br>
collect VAT. A receipt or a number of receipts will be available.<br>
</blockquote>
Guys,<br>
I'm relatively new to this list, so I have no idea how this type of contract has been handled in the past.<br>
My first instinct would be to consult Pm on this. Also how would the collection be handled?<br>
As to the cost, it of course would depend on how many of would contribute.<br>
Today the euro to $US dollar rate is 1 to 1.411. So 2100 euros translate to $US2,963.10.<br>
So if a 100 of us contributed, it would be $29.63 each.<br>
If 50 then it would be $59.26.<br>
If thirty, then it would be $98.77, or round off to $100.<br>
Now could we have a show of hands--or in this case e-mails--as to how many of you and how much you would be willing to contribute.<br>
I'll start of with $100, if necessary.<br>
Cheers,<br>
Al<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
To: Al Louis Ripskis<<a href="mailto:ripskis@sprynet.com" target="_blank">ripskis@sprynet.com</a>><br>
Cc: pmwiki-users<<a href="mailto:pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com" target="_blank">pmwiki-users@pmichaud.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [pmwiki-users] Follow-Up:Whither WYSIWYG? Contract/Contribution<br>
<br>
On Saturday 14 May 2011 14:30:30 Al Louis Ripskis wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Did my email slip through the cracks? Or is there some<br>
other reason why you haven't responded?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
It is not easy to estimate this kind of work. Such a module can be done fairly<br>
quickly (2-3 days) but without a good integration with PmWiki and with<br>
potential security holes, as a couple of users expressed their concerns.<br>
<br>
PmWiki has lots of features and different configurations. Such a module has to<br>
work in many different environments, like different settings for passwords,<br>
diffrent uploads directories, different servers, and different browsers.<br>
Additional modules need to be written - file picker (with thumbnails?),<br>
asynchronous uploader (upload a file while you edit a page), internal link<br>
picker (autocomplete?). The most difficult decision is how to store and<br>
differenciate the feature-limited RichText input from wiki-code which can have<br>
unlimited features and local customizations.<br>
<br>
Last but not least, it is not possible to write such a complex program at once<br>
- there will certainly be bugs to be fixed as they are uncovered, features<br>
added or changed, and the module has to be supported in the future.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
"What do you estimate it would take to do it, and how long would it<br>
take? What cost?"<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Here is a Quote:<br>
<br>
2 weeks of work for a working beta prototype, including:<br>
* integration with PmWiki pages, passwords and upload directories<br>
* modules file picker/uploader, link picker<br>
* full documentation<br>
* 1 year bugfixing/support on the Cookbook Talk page or in the PITS<br>
* free software under the GNU GPL, MIT-style license or WTFPL/PD (the best<br>
things in life are free)<br>
<br>
The cost of this work is estimated to be 2100 euros. My company doesn't<br>
collect VAT. A receipt or a number of receipts will be available.<br>
<br>
Note that the features of the rich-text editor will be limited - not all<br>
existing HTML tags or attributes can be available, and not all PmWiki markups<br>
can have a rich-text "button". The rich-text editor will be in addition to the<br>
normal wiki-text editor.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Petko<br>
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