[pmwiki-users] Any hope for 2.2.0 stable release?

[Henrik Bechmann]

 >>Who's going to make the final decision

Pm, particularly if there is a dispute

 >>Who does what and when?

Determined by consensus. I favour the notion of a meritocracy. People 
develop influence based on their contributions.

 >>each dev (or group sharing the same goals) works on a different recipe.

I think John Rankin's idea of plugins that can be turned on/off is 
interesting.

 >>How's that? If you have followed this list for a while, you can see 
that pretty much every member has a different goal, different needs, 
different types of user bases. So they would make decisions based on 
what their own goal is.

So we work at consensus....

 >>I thought you were asking for opinions from Pmwiki users :)

I just meant that if you're not interested in future changes, then 
logically it doesn't matter to you what happens with future versions.

 >>I am happy with the development as it goes now.

In case you haven't noticed it's not working. IAC in the long run any 
product is going to be more reliable if it is supported by a group. 
Deals with attrition, personal issues, etc.

 >>If you want to OOP pmwiki, it will be something else altogether, and 
all recipes will have to be rewritten too. Brrr!

True. I would estimate the core could be re-written at about 50 lines 
per day (it's pretty dense), which would be about 100 person days, say 
600 to 1200 person hours. Personally I think it would be worth it 
(subject to a thorough vetting of course).

Recipes could probably be adapted much more quickly, particularly when 
standard interfaces were developed.

- Henrik

Radu Luchian wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Henrik Bechmann 
> <henrik.bechmann at sympatico.ca <mailto:henrik.bechmann at sympatico.ca>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Did I call them committees? Can you give references? <grin>
>
>
> Any group that works together on making decisions is a committee... 
> Bah, semantics... New problems arise: who's going to make the final 
> decision on everything? Who does what and when? Why didn't they do it, 
> if they said they will? The way it works now, is that if there are 
> goal differences in implementing a feature, each dev (or group sharing 
> the same goals) works on a different recipe.
>  
>
>     I think more in terms of teams, and yes I think that discussion
>     and design are worth the effort, ie they save time in the long run.
>
>
> How's that? If you have followed this list for a while, you can see 
> that pretty much every member has a different goal, different needs, 
> different types of user bases. So they would make decisions based on 
> what their own goal is.
>  
>
>     Doing random things on a complex codebase "if you have five
>     minutes" is nuts. I presume you're not serious.
>
>
> No, I'm not. Seriousness is overrated :) And in determined people, it 
> leads to ulcers :) I like to have fun programming. Which is why I 
> don't work for a programming house.
>  
>
>     Sounds like you're a developer (as am I). Glad you like it as is.
>     So do I. But I think there are lots of areas for improvement,
>     particularly WRT usability. And if we're going to do it as a group
>     we better get organized about it, or do you really promote the
>     idea of random people doing random things to the core codebase if
>     they have five minutes?!?
>
>
> Yes. That's what I do with my pmwiki farms. That's what many other 
> pmwiki devs do on theirs. But we're not imposing our solutions on 
> others. The core is PM's to do what he needs with. He usually takes 
> good suggestions and explains why he rejects other ones. A couple of 
> times what I needed (and thought was ok with respect with PM's 
> Philosophy statements), did not meet with his approval, and he had his 
> reasons. Remember, the project is his, and he chooses what to do. 
> We're only along for the ride. If I disagree with some choice of his, 
> I fix it in my cookbook folder, not in the core. When the core changes 
> radically, sometimes I have to change my recipes. Luckily, not very 
> often at all.
>  
>
>     IAC you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But if you're
>     really happy with it as it is, then take a copy, and step aside.
>     This discussion isn't relevant to you.
>
>
> I thought you were asking for opinions from Pmwiki users :)
>  
> I am happy with the development as it goes now. The core belongs to PM 
> and until he decides he doesn't want to deal with it anymore, I trust 
> his coordinating vision (One man, one vision; a group brings 
> dissension, even if only potentially). On recipes, we all have free 
> range. BUT. If you want to OOP pmwiki, it will be something else 
> altogether, and all recipes will have to be rewritten too. Brrr!
>
> Cheers,
> Radu
>

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Henrik Bechmann
bechmann.ca

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