[pmwiki-users] vspace revisited

Paul Giacherio paulgiacherio at gmail.com
Mon Jul 25 14:35:06 CDT 2011

I totally agree with your thinking.
Knowing what you want to achieve ahead of time is key.

Personally I don't find the 'can of worms' that daunting. I feel there are a
fair number of css reset and default stylesheets out there that do a great
job of styling standard tags. If you start there, what's left is a finite
number of block-level element combinations that need adjusting.

However, I can imagine that task becomes more difficult for very complex
documents. I would rather handle larger css files, but that's just my


On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Oliver Betz <list_ob at gmx.net> wrote:

> Paul Giacherio wrote:
> >This doesn't answer your question, but I always remove the vspace divs by
> >including this line in my config:
> >
> >$HTMLVSpace = '';
> I'm aware of this and did so for a CMS type application where I wanted
> cleaner HTML.
> >I believe the vspace divs are there to control text spacing. However I
> think
> >there are better ways to control space using adjacent CSS selectors as
> Well, "better" is a dangerous wording. I dislike that PmWiki adds so
> many class='vspace'. In the end, there are mopre "vspaced" elements
> than without vspace, therefore I would prefer an inverse handling of
> vertical space (suppression instead of addition).
> And you might open a can of worms if you try to duplicate the
> behaviour with CSS.
> >opposed to injecting divs everywhere. Here's an adjacent selector example:
> >http://jsfiddle.net/paulgiacherio/BRChf/
> to get suitable results with complex documents, you need an idea what
> you want to get before you start to implement.
> That's why I asked for a test case.
> Consider headings, paragraphs, lists, tables, pictures in different
> sequences, nested etc.
> I already started some experiments, if somebody is interested, I can
> put them on PmWiki.org as a discussion basis.
> Oliver
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