[pmwiki-users] Utility pages

Joachim Durchholz jo at durchholz.org
Wed Jun 15 15:46:32 CDT 2005


Patrick R. Michaud wrote:

> Jon hits most of the major issues I see squarely on the head...
> 
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 10:22:35AM -0500, Jon Haupt wrote:
> 
>>   [...lots of good stuff deleted...]
>>   PmWikiAdmin always seemed like a good idea and the length really never
>>   bothered me before because nobody visited those pages much, but like
>>   Patrick said you'd suddenly be visiting it a lot if that's where
>>   AllRecentChanges or SearchWiki was located.
> 
> Yes, PmWikiAdmin was fine for pages that we expected only wiki admins
> to see, but once we start adding "SideBar", "SearchWiki", "AllRecentChanges",
> etc. into the list then "PmWikiAdmin" doesn't seem to work so well.

I think that's one line where we can split the pages. Those that are 
supposed to be seen by administrators only, and those that are visible 
to the user. (Admin-only pages should go to a separate group anyway. 
It's simpler to set read and write passwords that way.)

So PmWikiAdmin (and PmWiki<something>) would be fine group names for the 
admin and recipe/skin authoring stuff.

Stuff that users can see could go into the Site group (and possibly a 
per-group override).

> It's not just length, but also how it will look to a typical reader when
> encountered.  For example, if I use a template's search box to perform
> a search on a site that otherwise doesn't act like a wiki, then it looks
> really funny to have the search results page displaying "PmWikiAdmin"
> in the url.  Not to mention that some wiki administrators will then
> be concerned that ordinary users are somehow being exposed to the 
> "admininstrative" sections of their site.

Site.SearchResults? Nah... doesn't sound too well.

How about a configurable name? For example, when I'm doing the Fooblaz 
wiki, then I'd simply name the main group as "Fooblaz", ...

> Somehow, I just think that names like
> 
>   Site.AllRecentChanges      Site.ApprovedUrls         Site.SideBar
>   Site.SearchWiki            Site.PageList             Site.Map

giving me
     Fooblaz.AllRecentChanges   Fooblaz.ApprovedUrls   Fooblaz.SideBar
     Fooblaz.SearchWiki         Fooblaz.PageList       Fooblaz.Map

> For those who are concerned that an admin might want to use
> "Site" as a group name-- I'll pose the question:  How many existing 
> sites are actually doing or considering this?

A "Site" group isn't used, planned, or considered in any of the three 
PmWikis I'm administering.

Regards,
Jo



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