[pmwiki-users] PmWiki is dead !

[Petko Yotov]

Pierre-Marie Carette is a philosopher-epistemologist (philosophy of 
science, theory of knowledge). He is probably less comfortable than most 
of us with technical basics like servers, PHP, PmWiki.

His wiki has a lot of content, built and maintained with a huge amount 
of effort over several years. I empathize with his distress. We should 
try our best to help him restore it -- and we can.

That wiki had some obsolete custom markup rules, which were disabled 
with a recent PHP upgrade, and it wasn't immediately clear how/why, and 
how to fix these. We can help with this.

He also says ReleaseNotes is difficult to follow and understand. I do 
use the names of the new core features like "PmSyntax" and "PmTOC", and 
the industry terms like "Content-Security-Policy" that may not mean a 
lot to many users. I can try to improve this, with fewer technical 
terms, and maybe fewer/shorter notes overall.

In fact everything is in ChangeLog already, and the most important, 
potentially breaking changes are in the page Upgrades.

This is an opportunity to improve ourselves, and improve the user 
experience with PmWiki.

Petko


On 09/12/2022 07:42, Moni Kellermann wrote:
> Am 09.12.2022 um 06:12 schrieb Pierre-Marie Carette:
>> [many angry words in French at the top, then in English]
> 
> PmWiki is free, and it's working for us users because Petko Yotov is
> putting a lot of work in, which is also free for us.
> 
> It is rude to an English list to rant here in French FIRST.
> 
> And you EXPECT Pmwiki to be managed in a certain way.
> 
> I understand frustration with problems one cannot fix oneself - I am
> one of these "dumb" users who has to rely on help if I run into
> problems. Sometimes I have ideas for a feature but am unable to
> implement them myself. For all this I am grateful for Petko's work. I
> do not donate a bit of money to him often enough. And I bet most
> mailing list readers here don't either.
> 
> And you rant here because of what? Something wrong with the
> documentation? Which is not sufficient?
> 
> What do you need beyond
> 
> https://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/ReleaseNotes
> 
> and
> 
> https://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/ChangeLog
> 
> But maybe that is a naive question and I do not understand the depth
> of your problem in full.
> 
> Your message comes across as rather emotional and angry, maybe I am
> getting your tone wrong.
> 
> I would prefer anyone who has some legitimate criticism to report
> errors and make suggestions in a more matter-of-fact tone. I would
> have not expected such a drama queen post on this list, to be honest.
> 
> 
> Moni Kellermann